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be joe. congressman ryan is a smart and effective speaker. but his ideas are the wrong ones. and joe understands that. >> meanwhile, president obama is critiquing his own debate performance, at length, for the first time. here he is with tom joyner. >> i mean, you know, the debate, i think, it's fair to say, i was just too plait. because, you know, it's hard to sometimes just keep on saying what you're saying isn't true. it gets repetitive. but, you know, the good news is, is that's just the first one. >> the president reiterated that message with diane sawyer. >> governor romney had a good night, i had a bad night. >> how bad? >> well, it's not the first time i've had a bad night, but i think what's important is that the fundamentals of what this race is about haven't changed. you know, governor romney went to a lot of trouble to try to hide what his positions are, because he knows that those ideas have been rejected. >> is it possible you handed him the election that night? >> no. >> you're
be joe. congressman ryan is a smart and effective speaker. but his ideas are the wrong ones. and joe understands that. >> meanwhile, president obama is critiquing his own debate performance, at length, for the first time. here he is with tom joyner. >> i mean, you know, the debate, i think, it's fair to say, i was just too plait. because, you know, it's hard to sometimes just keep on saying what you're saying isn't true. it gets repetitive. but, you know, the good news is, is that's...
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i think this is teed up perfectly for joe biden. all the things we talked about last week we wished the president might have thrown at mitt romney or asked mitt romney about are even better for ryan. it was paul ryan who confronted with chris wallace asking him about the math of the budget plan was the one who said i just don't have time to get into that. joe biden can say, i'd like to give you all the time you need, take all the time you need, congressman ryan, and tell us which deductions you two are going to close. he can confront him on the $716 billion that he also likewise cuts from medicare. >> identical number. >> identical number. that's a wonderful thing to be teed up for vice president biden, and he can also just come at him on the issue of entitlements generally. paul ryan is somebody who apparently saved the survivor benefits that he got from social security, used them to go to a good college, and now has been a long time advocate of privatizing social security. >> i just wish joe biden would at some point ask the quest
i think this is teed up perfectly for joe biden. all the things we talked about last week we wished the president might have thrown at mitt romney or asked mitt romney about are even better for ryan. it was paul ryan who confronted with chris wallace asking him about the math of the budget plan was the one who said i just don't have time to get into that. joe biden can say, i'd like to give you all the time you need, take all the time you need, congressman ryan, and tell us which deductions you...
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went on offense against paul ryan. >> joe was definitely joe. >> it's about time they take some responsibility here. >> i'm not into man fights. >> mr. ryan said last night to governor romney was a car guy. well, if they had an elevator stack i guess he was. >> today the campaigning continues the post debate campaigning has already kicked into high gear. >> we're going to level the playing field. it's time to acknowledge what got us into this trouble in the first place. >> the vice president defends the status quo. >> that's a bunch of ma larky. the. >> paul ryan care about each and every american. >> stop caring about how you care about people. show me something. >> the table is now reset. >> with the v.p. debate now over. >> who gets to hit the panic button next? >> with 25 days until the presidential election, the obama re-election campaign is seizing on this statement by paul ryan in last night's debate. >> if the romney/ryan ticket is elected, should those who believe that abortion should remain legal be worried? >> we don't think that unelected judges should make this decision, that peop
went on offense against paul ryan. >> joe was definitely joe. >> it's about time they take some responsibility here. >> i'm not into man fights. >> mr. ryan said last night to governor romney was a car guy. well, if they had an elevator stack i guess he was. >> today the campaigning continues the post debate campaigning has already kicked into high gear. >> we're going to level the playing field. it's time to acknowledge what got us into this trouble in the...
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>> you may have overlooked the fact that for the last few weeks i've been joe biden. >> mr. olson has been playing the part of joe biden in paul ryan's debate prep which will help paul ryan get better at debating which will help him become vice president which would be bad for gay rights. right? >> or could persuade him on this issue. don't under state the possibility that dialogue and talking about these issues makes a difference. not just independents and not just democrats but republicans, too. the tides are changing. attitudes are changing. and the way to change those attitudes is dialogue. and the way to change those attitudes is to talk to people about the fundamental right and the way to deal with republicans in my opinion is to say we are the party of abraham lincoln. let's not forget that. what are these -- we say that. let's live up to that. let's think about our principles here. what is decency and privacy and respect? can't talk about what happens in debate preparation but when those issues, if they're issues, they come up in the preparation because they might co
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i think joe biden did. but ryan did have that one good line on taxes, raising fear about increases in middle class taxes. >> there are a couple of shots taken, like you bring in a foreign object to a wrestling match. one was you're under duress. also the one comparing joe biden's gaps, which are usually harmless, with what the president was heard saying in terms of the 47-minute expose. to compare those two seems ludicrous. >> well, it seems ludicrous, chris, but i think it was effective to the extent that it's an irresistible sound bite. it's an irresistible exchange. but joe biden got the last word there, sort of. he said, well, when i speak, i'm telling the truth. you know, when i misspeak, i'm saying what i really believe. what he needed to say further was that's what mitt romney really believes. >> he did. he did say that. >> yeah, he did say it. >> when i say it, i mean it, and this guy does too. that's the dangerous stuff. anyway, thank you, howard. we'll see you later tonight. >> play the whole soun
i think joe biden did. but ryan did have that one good line on taxes, raising fear about increases in middle class taxes. >> there are a couple of shots taken, like you bring in a foreign object to a wrestling match. one was you're under duress. also the one comparing joe biden's gaps, which are usually harmless, with what the president was heard saying in terms of the 47-minute expose. to compare those two seems ludicrous. >> well, it seems ludicrous, chris, but i think it was...
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i say it's just joe being joe. ryan took it in stride and tried to hold his own. look at all that water the congressman was drinking. does he have a strenuous p90x workout before the debate? you had a different experience than the viewers because optics and body language are crucial in debates. some say that is the whole ball game. in the guest spot we have bill mcgowan, one of the top media trainers in the country, ceo of the clarity media group. good to see you sitting up straight. >> lead by example. >> you better be perfect. >> i better be. the pressure's on. >> one of the things that jumped out at me was the moments where joe biden stared directly into the camera and it seemed very intense, very serious and at least one of moments, a couple of the moments he was talking directly to seniors which, of course, he is one. it was very much like this is serious, this is real, i'm leveling with you, i'm one of you, listen to me. what did you think about that? >> i think it was effective, i thought it represented some of his better moments. interestingly ryan did not
i say it's just joe being joe. ryan took it in stride and tried to hold his own. look at all that water the congressman was drinking. does he have a strenuous p90x workout before the debate? you had a different experience than the viewers because optics and body language are crucial in debates. some say that is the whole ball game. in the guest spot we have bill mcgowan, one of the top media trainers in the country, ceo of the clarity media group. good to see you sitting up straight. >>...
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the problem is joe biden is a good debater. a six-term u.s. senator, the sixth youngestist senator ever elected to the body. vice president in 2008 largely on the strength of his debating performances. not like he won a bunch of primary and a funny thing happens with joe biden in between where people got this onion inflected impression of him as a guy washing his transam in the white house parking lot and what biden is about at and what he is unable to counter is he wields authority well. i have known bb for 35 years. i was best friends and in the room and that for a guy that looks even younger than he is like ryan was devastating. >> let's listen to joe biden talking about romney's 47%. >> these are the folks who talk about 47% of the american people being unwilling to take responsibility. 82% of them pay their payroll taxes and other taxes and at an effective rate higher than romney pays his taxes. over 10% of them are senior citizens on social security. the rest are disabled vets and veterans and military personnel fighting now. that's the
the problem is joe biden is a good debater. a six-term u.s. senator, the sixth youngestist senator ever elected to the body. vice president in 2008 largely on the strength of his debating performances. not like he won a bunch of primary and a funny thing happens with joe biden in between where people got this onion inflected impression of him as a guy washing his transam in the white house parking lot and what biden is about at and what he is unable to counter is he wields authority well. i...
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paul ryan a b and joe biden a b-. here is the wisdom. democrats say joe biden was strong, he was the adult on stage. he stopped the bleeding, such that it was from last week's debate. for republicans paul ryan passed the can he be president threshold and joe biden was rude and arrogant. what say you? >> it's certainly the case. there were some democrats who conceded the point. that's why i gave the vice president a lower grade. the smiles, laughs, smirks. i don't think it changed anything about the race. i think that they both laid down the markers and, again, for their own parties, mostly. the vice president energizing democrats and for paul ryan showing people he was on that stage and not overrun. the vice president clearly dominated the proceedings. >> we have seen paul ryan a lot for those of us who cover politics. we have seen him on press conferences and capitol hill, never in the big lights. how did he do from start to finish? >> you know, again, we were reading the leaves a little bit. i thought he started out nervous. he reacted
paul ryan a b and joe biden a b-. here is the wisdom. democrats say joe biden was strong, he was the adult on stage. he stopped the bleeding, such that it was from last week's debate. for republicans paul ryan passed the can he be president threshold and joe biden was rude and arrogant. what say you? >> it's certainly the case. there were some democrats who conceded the point. that's why i gave the vice president a lower grade. the smiles, laughs, smirks. i don't think it changed anything...
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there's a classic joe being joe. and if you didn't like him and joe shtick wears on you, then you hated some of the moments that he had last night. but what are we talking about? this was joe biden's debate. paul ryan was at it, but this was biden's debate. he sort of controlled the debate for better or for worse at times for him. that was important. and joe, i'm with you on this. that's a big deal to the obama campaign. they couldn't go down 0-2, to be cliche about this in baseball, they couldn't afford to lose game two of this four-game series of debates. and they didn't lose game two. we can argue, was it a full win for biden? did he give away some points in this because of style because he was a little too amped up on red bull for the first 45 minutes of this thing? maybe. but they certainly -- you can't say he lost the debate. it's all about next tuesday anyway. and biden's job was to make sure he didn't -- i mean, put it this way. had ryan clobbered biden a la what romney did to obama, boy, it would be -- imagi
there's a classic joe being joe. and if you didn't like him and joe shtick wears on you, then you hated some of the moments that he had last night. but what are we talking about? this was joe biden's debate. paul ryan was at it, but this was biden's debate. he sort of controlled the debate for better or for worse at times for him. that was important. and joe, i'm with you on this. that's a big deal to the obama campaign. they couldn't go down 0-2, to be cliche about this in baseball, they...
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one a day 50+. >>> joe and i are from similar towns. you know what the unemployment rate in scranton is today. it's 10%. it was 8.5% the day you came in. that's how it's going around america. >> it's going down. >> it is going down. one of many insta fact checking moments. joining us is frank rich. his next feature story is out next week. it's called the right will triumh in the end. thank you for being here. >> thank you. >> i had a good time watching that debate. it moved so bad. the interrupting was not pointless. i thought it was an accountability thing. >> it was accountability and it was conversational. it wasn't stagy. it doesn't seem like a stunt put together although it probably was. the thing that worked for biden he comes across as having a sense of humor. that made his interruption not seem bad. although according to republicans he's an alcoholic, pill popping, druggy. >> they said it was damaging for the president to be scowling and damaging for the president to look worried. >> what are they supposed to look constipated al
one a day 50+. >>> joe and i are from similar towns. you know what the unemployment rate in scranton is today. it's 10%. it was 8.5% the day you came in. that's how it's going around america. >> it's going down. >> it is going down. one of many insta fact checking moments. joining us is frank rich. his next feature story is out next week. it's called the right will triumh in the end. thank you for being here. >> thank you. >> i had a good time watching that...
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joe biden has the opportunity to tell the truth. what mitt romney will do to the middle class in this country. had this may not be a make or break moment for the president and his campaign, but you have to agree that it is a chance for the vice president of the united states to change the tone and the focus of this campaign. not a game-changer, but a course correction. people that i spoke with on friday in ohio were disappointed in the president's debate performance. it's ironic that the same attitude was portrayed on two different locations at memorial university today and also florida international university. people are puzzled why the president didn't come out strong. they were expecting more. comments came to me like we're out fighting for the president, fighting for every vote, and the other night it didn't look like he was fighting for us. what does this mean? it means every stump speech is going to be recorded and reviewed over and over again. this means that the american people are digesting who wants to be president of the
joe biden has the opportunity to tell the truth. what mitt romney will do to the middle class in this country. had this may not be a make or break moment for the president and his campaign, but you have to agree that it is a chance for the vice president of the united states to change the tone and the focus of this campaign. not a game-changer, but a course correction. people that i spoke with on friday in ohio were disappointed in the president's debate performance. it's ironic that the same...
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the debate between paul ryan and joe biden. president kennedy got a surprise mention with joe biden's sarcastic outburst, now you're jack kennedy sparking the tweets at 58,000 per minute. the debate continued. massive questions on a crucial issue. luckily, brian williams was able to clear up the issue about the lapel pins. >> people were asking, not only is the flag larger, what is the symbol in the middle of field stripes. it's the u.s. secret service pin. they hand it out to friends and protectees. >> before the debate, "time" magazine released these photos. it triggered what was called a dumbbell debate. >>> a search on google images with the phrase completely wrong brings up mitt romney. google says there's no partisan politics here. he used the phrase about his 47% comments. >>> california congressman was debating when things got testy. the rhetoric heated up and sherman got physical. before things escalated into a wrestling match, a police officer stepped in and the debate wrapped up with no injuries. that's your morning
the debate between paul ryan and joe biden. president kennedy got a surprise mention with joe biden's sarcastic outburst, now you're jack kennedy sparking the tweets at 58,000 per minute. the debate continued. massive questions on a crucial issue. luckily, brian williams was able to clear up the issue about the lapel pins. >> people were asking, not only is the flag larger, what is the symbol in the middle of field stripes. it's the u.s. secret service pin. they hand it out to friends and...
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joe biden has done a lot of debates. by my count, 749. no, closer to 23, but he did 14 in the last year, in 2008 alone. >> yes. >> on the other hand, he's also been vice president for the last four years. i think everyone knows that vice president's don't really get pressed a lot in those four years, you know, when something goes wrong. when something goes wrong, give me the vice president i have some serious questions for him. so i'm wondering if you think the four years of not really having to answer too many tough questions makes him a little rusty despite his years of debate experience? >> well, it made the president rusty. i think it could do the same to joe biden. although he has been working very hard. at the convention he had put in 60 hours of debate prep. what he's been paid for for the last four years comes down to this moment tonight. biden, his mind is not an orderly one all the time, shall we say, but he's -- but he'll be tough. he's going to be defending an entire tradition and history of the democratic party because really
joe biden has done a lot of debates. by my count, 749. no, closer to 23, but he did 14 in the last year, in 2008 alone. >> yes. >> on the other hand, he's also been vice president for the last four years. i think everyone knows that vice president's don't really get pressed a lot in those four years, you know, when something goes wrong. when something goes wrong, give me the vice president i have some serious questions for him. so i'm wondering if you think the four years of not...
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only 34% feel that joe biden. so is really expectation more on paul ryan more than joe biden contrary to what has been discussed so far? >> i think it will be interesting to see what happens. a lot of this happens in the moment. it all depends about the chemistry between them and the moderate to have, the audience, how the questions go and what's most important is for both those gentlemen to really be in the moment to really think about their answers, and to make sure they getting across specific points that they want to getting across. >> again, watching the live pictures -- rather the tape that just came in of paul ryan arriving at the location. i want to pivot to the polls. when we look at those numbers, this new round of polling showing that the president falling short of that 50% marker that so many watch specifically in florida and virginia. and democrats, their enthusiasm already seems to be suffering in the wake of last week. what will numbers under 50 do to the enthusiasm surrounding tonight's debate as w
only 34% feel that joe biden. so is really expectation more on paul ryan more than joe biden contrary to what has been discussed so far? >> i think it will be interesting to see what happens. a lot of this happens in the moment. it all depends about the chemistry between them and the moderate to have, the audience, how the questions go and what's most important is for both those gentlemen to really be in the moment to really think about their answers, and to make sure they getting across...
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take a listen. >> can i call you joe? >>> you can call me joe. >> can i call you joe? well, i'm going to talk with a guy i call john harwood who says for better or worse vp debates can leave that lasting tingle or taste in our mouths. next what the candidates need to do to make sure their memorable moment is a good one. plus, former ohio governor ted strickland will join me live in kentucky. first, there's a lot going on today and here are a few things we thought you should know. mayor cory booker admits to being a bit frustrated when watching the presidential debates. he said when romney talked about needing to hire a new accountant he wanted to scream out, quote, obama say, keep your accountant. they're allowing you to pay only 13% in taxes. the president needs to, quote, throw more punches when he faces mitt romney tuesday. congressman paul ryan shows off his guns, if you want to call them that? new issue of "time" magazine on stands this friday. you see there, the congressman in a foot tow shoot with his workout routine. ryan is a big fan of p 90 x workouts and he
take a listen. >> can i call you joe? >>> you can call me joe. >> can i call you joe? well, i'm going to talk with a guy i call john harwood who says for better or worse vp debates can leave that lasting tingle or taste in our mouths. next what the candidates need to do to make sure their memorable moment is a good one. plus, former ohio governor ted strickland will join me live in kentucky. first, there's a lot going on today and here are a few things we thought you should...
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joe biden's been reading paul ryan's book. today, two days before he meets the president before the. the debate, romney will attempt to seize on the administration's -- this is by our account his tenth foreign policy speech of the campaign. romney's forays into foreign policy has been a mixed bag. from his rush to criticize the president on egypt and libya before all the facts were known. >> if you had known that the ambassador had died -- >> i'm not going to take hypotheticals about what would have been known. we responded last night to the events that happened in egypt. >> romney's effort to banish his foreign policy credentials with a summer trip was widely panned after romney seemed to insult the british handling of the olympics. his campaign spent weeks trying to explain why he didn't mention the war in afghanistan in his convention speech. today, romney will try again. arguing quote, i know the president hopes for a safer, freer and more pros% middle east allied with the united states. i share this hope, but hope is not
joe biden's been reading paul ryan's book. today, two days before he meets the president before the. the debate, romney will attempt to seize on the administration's -- this is by our account his tenth foreign policy speech of the campaign. romney's forays into foreign policy has been a mixed bag. from his rush to criticize the president on egypt and libya before all the facts were known. >> if you had known that the ambassador had died -- >> i'm not going to take hypotheticals...
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. >> i think that joe biden is going to draw up big. everyone wants to know if everyone's going to do it. to some extent i think it will be like nascar. is he going to make a mistake? the democrats have argued that romney's claim during last week's debate, it's actually a plan to cut $5 billion in taxes, but he did it again tonight on cnn just a short time ago. the obama attacks are false, let's see what you think here. >> he ignores the fact that they're going to limit the deduction and -- he ignores that part. obviously that was corrected by the deputy campaign manager who stipulated the $5 trillion number was wrong. it's completely wrong. the combination of limiting deductions as well as growth of our economy will make up for the reduction in rate. >> bob shrum, thank got in the rest of this discussion with wolf blitzer, he clarified the fact he's going to cut $5 trillion in revenue, a lot of it from wealthy people. >>> he's not going to the bank, he's going to let that tax cut stand. you can call it a lie, he's cutting taxes for the
. >> i think that joe biden is going to draw up big. everyone wants to know if everyone's going to do it. to some extent i think it will be like nascar. is he going to make a mistake? the democrats have argued that romney's claim during last week's debate, it's actually a plan to cut $5 billion in taxes, but he did it again tonight on cnn just a short time ago. the obama attacks are false, let's see what you think here. >> he ignores the fact that they're going to limit the...
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i bet joe biden's a little nervous. >> joe, i want to ask you about this. he will be a formidable opponent as far as knowing the inside baseball policies of what's been happening on the hill. paul ryan has basically grown up inside the capitol. >> well, i think there are real advantages for ryan, too. he comes across as sincere and likable like the guy who lives next door to you and i think that's a huge advantage to do that. second of all, the vice president is going to have defend everything about their administration -- the mediocrity of the economy, the failure in foreign policy and so forth. and let's face it, joe biden has had his share of being the punch line on the talk shows and the comedy shows quite a bit, and there's always that opportunity with joe biden we're going to see some major gaffe again. >> all right, so, let's see if the kids in college for thursday night start a drinking game for how many times they hear big bird mentioned between the vice president ticket-holders. jonathan capehart, karen finney and john brebender, thank you for joi
i bet joe biden's a little nervous. >> joe, i want to ask you about this. he will be a formidable opponent as far as knowing the inside baseball policies of what's been happening on the hill. paul ryan has basically grown up inside the capitol. >> well, i think there are real advantages for ryan, too. he comes across as sincere and likable like the guy who lives next door to you and i think that's a huge advantage to do that. second of all, the vice president is going to have defend...
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although we certainly hope joe biden holds his feet to the fire on those issues. just today in fact paul ryan was asked a pretty fair question, how do you bring opportunity to the inner cities if crime is a problem if you're going to make all those budget cuts, he decided he didn't want to answer those questions and stormed off the interview. he's not one for details. it's the only way he can hold on to some credibility, is to not say much of anything. >> i want to look at my new favorite thing which is this gawker poster of mitt romney debating mitt romney. >> it's a lengthy description, but number one, preexisting conditions are covered under my plan. >> suppose they were never insured. >> if they're 45 years old and they say i want insurance because i've got heart disease. you can't play the game like that. you've got to get insurance when you're will and if you get ill then you're going to be covered. >> joy, you have trouble keeping a straight face on this. >> it was great. >> we don't play the game that way on preexisting conditions. >> we did for an hour an
although we certainly hope joe biden holds his feet to the fire on those issues. just today in fact paul ryan was asked a pretty fair question, how do you bring opportunity to the inner cities if crime is a problem if you're going to make all those budget cuts, he decided he didn't want to answer those questions and stormed off the interview. he's not one for details. it's the only way he can hold on to some credibility, is to not say much of anything. >> i want to look at my new favorite...
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that side of joe biden is what i expect to see. for ryan, he'd better be prepared to deal with that because you can be put off by that if you're, as jonathan -- >> suppose he does something like this. his mother lived to a great old age. we were at the funeral, she was a great lady. had a lot to do with his upbringing obviously. he might say my grandma finnegan, should they have gone out and bought health insurance with their vouchers? will he bring it down home? >> just remember, two things to remember. first of all, joe biden is the only one of all four of these candidates who flutely speaks the language of populism and it's a populist moment. he's the only one. not room, not obama, not ryan. remember what his most effective moment in the sarah palin debate was? it was the moment when he turned on her and brought up the experience of losing his wife, his first wife and son and infant daughter and what it was like to be raising his sons alone. it was a very personal moment. it was like exactly what you're talking about. instead of
that side of joe biden is what i expect to see. for ryan, he'd better be prepared to deal with that because you can be put off by that if you're, as jonathan -- >> suppose he does something like this. his mother lived to a great old age. we were at the funeral, she was a great lady. had a lot to do with his upbringing obviously. he might say my grandma finnegan, should they have gone out and bought health insurance with their vouchers? will he bring it down home? >> just remember,...
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you know joe biden well. how much pressure do you think joe biden is feeling that, if anything, he needs to make the base of the democratic party feel good about again. >> the base has been demoralized. there's no question about that. he will do that without question. that's really not a big burden on him. i think the real burden is on congressman ryan. because he's taken positions that he now either has to repudiate, walk away from, or explain. kwun of the things that i think is a great opportunity for the vice president tonight is the more he highlights the ryan budget and the devastating cuts he makes to programs that benefit hard working, middle class americans, that's going to help democratic candidates across the country because every republican incumbent voted for that budget. >> susan, it's interesting. i was asking dan senor about it. you know the ryan budget is going to come up and there are differences between the romney budget and the ryan budget. not major ones, but enough that there are some dis
you know joe biden well. how much pressure do you think joe biden is feeling that, if anything, he needs to make the base of the democratic party feel good about again. >> the base has been demoralized. there's no question about that. he will do that without question. that's really not a big burden on him. i think the real burden is on congressman ryan. because he's taken positions that he now either has to repudiate, walk away from, or explain. kwun of the things that i think is a great...
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joe for better and worse being joe. >> our adversaries are much more willing tomorrow bra embrace us >> with all due respect, that is malarkey. >> under a romney administer, we will have credibility under this issue. >> vice president biden. >> that's incredible. >> thank goodness we have these sanctions in place. >> oh, god. >> over 100 can criminal investigations have been launched. >> go ahead. >> martha, look -- >> and at one point the vice president seemed to even hold himself back from actually cursing. >> this is a bunch of stuff. >> what does that mean, a bunch of stuff? >> it means it's simply inaccurate. >> it's irish. >> irish call it malarkey. >> ryan, of course, largely avoided taking the bait. he did push back at biden a few times including this little zinger. >> mr. vice president, i know you're under a lot of duress but i think people would be better served if we don't keep interrupting each other. >> the democratic base needed a shot in the arm and biden gave it to them, deploying several attacks that romney failed to use in just one minute of the debate. one minute.
joe for better and worse being joe. >> our adversaries are much more willing tomorrow bra embrace us >> with all due respect, that is malarkey. >> under a romney administer, we will have credibility under this issue. >> vice president biden. >> that's incredible. >> thank goodness we have these sanctions in place. >> oh, god. >> over 100 can criminal investigations have been launched. >> go ahead. >> martha, look -- >> and at one...
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hoping that joe isn't the same joe who occasionally suffers from bouts of acute honesty on a variety of topics like gay marriage. >> he got out a little bit over his skis, but out of generosity, spirit. >> joining us now from chicago, national press secretary for the obama campaign, ben "the thunder" labolt. >> new nickname every time. thanks for having me. >> thunder bolt or thunder. there's not that much setting nicknames aside, there's been talk of nunchakus brought on stage, a lot of expectations about justice how agretsive vice president joe biden will be. has president obama spoken to the veep and offered any sage words of advice? >> well, you heard it right there in the interview, i think the vice president's goal will be the same as the president's was last week to lay out the economic choice for the middle class in this election. but what he will do is try to correct the brazen attempt that the romney/ryan ticket to rewrite and hide their position. you saw "the new york times" reported the romney campaign saw on focus groups what voters liked about the debate they didn't hea
hoping that joe isn't the same joe who occasionally suffers from bouts of acute honesty on a variety of topics like gay marriage. >> he got out a little bit over his skis, but out of generosity, spirit. >> joining us now from chicago, national press secretary for the obama campaign, ben "the thunder" labolt. >> new nickname every time. thanks for having me. >> thunder bolt or thunder. there's not that much setting nicknames aside, there's been talk of nunchakus...
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they've got to keep on that. >> everyone who knows joe biden knows that joe biden can talk and joe biden certainly knows how to give the answer to give. >> will he get to it? >> i think he will. i think he will. i think he will be aggressive. because what else is there for him to do in this debate? after last week, biden doesn't really have a choice. >> chuck, are you in on this? can you raise the issue of scoring card tonight? for a lot of reasons i've been thinking you're as good at this as anybody is. does he have to win tonight a clear victory? does he have to have a clear victory in order for the obama people? >> no. i mean, look, the obama folks don't want to lose, okay? going down '02, let's put this in baseball terms, you don't want to go down 0-2, now a five game series. you want to go 1-1. worst case scenario, 1-0-1. that's why the goal tonight is not for biden to win the debate. of course he wants to win the debate but more of the goal for biden, bring up points, try to force ryan on defense even if he doesn't take the bait, as you hear from some republican advisers, they say
they've got to keep on that. >> everyone who knows joe biden knows that joe biden can talk and joe biden certainly knows how to give the answer to give. >> will he get to it? >> i think he will. i think he will. i think he will be aggressive. because what else is there for him to do in this debate? after last week, biden doesn't really have a choice. >> chuck, are you in on this? can you raise the issue of scoring card tonight? for a lot of reasons i've been thinking...
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first to you, michael, you know joe biden really well. what is the challenge here for joe biden? we know that sometimes when he gets wound up on the stump he goes off message. but as maggie was saying earlier, in debates he's been really focused. is that the joe biden you expect to show up tonight? >> i do. i expect joe biden to show up tonight to try to prevent congressman ryan from wiley mischaracter iing the record the obama/biden record over last four years and try to hold congressman wryan to specifics. congressman ryan will have to reconcile his own budget plan and the rapidly evolving romney/ryan budget and tax plan. a lot of open questions there. i expect vice president biden's going to come out ready to hold his feet to the fire on specifics. and congressman ryan has other challenges, you know? he's not well-known on the national stage, so this will be a new introduction for him. and he has to pass the commander in chief threshold so there will be foreign policy questions tonight. he'll have to hold his own there. he also has to energize conservatives but also appeal to
first to you, michael, you know joe biden really well. what is the challenge here for joe biden? we know that sometimes when he gets wound up on the stump he goes off message. but as maggie was saying earlier, in debates he's been really focused. is that the joe biden you expect to show up tonight? >> i do. i expect joe biden to show up tonight to try to prevent congressman ryan from wiley mischaracter iing the record the obama/biden record over last four years and try to hold congressman...
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joe will have that enthusiasm. he'll convey to the american person what this administration has done pulling us out of the brink of financial collapse, advancing the ball on health care and doing so many good things. a foreign policy record to be proud of. i think joe will sing that song loud and clear. >> i couldn't help but think about what you describe as your expectations of vice president biden. the title of your book, basically no wuss, he can't give the slightly bit he's taking it easy on the young gun. i told my team it's like the young maverick versus the og, which i'll explain later what that means. you've got joe biden here. he's seen it and done it all. he has survived both personality tragedies and seen the ups and downs of the beltway when people used to perhaps have lunch with each other and talk over things to where we are now, it where it's a decisive tone that can be scary, governor rendell, to people voting. >> i think joe biden will do one other thing the president didn't do. if paul ryan strays
joe will have that enthusiasm. he'll convey to the american person what this administration has done pulling us out of the brink of financial collapse, advancing the ball on health care and doing so many good things. a foreign policy record to be proud of. i think joe will sing that song loud and clear. >> i couldn't help but think about what you describe as your expectations of vice president biden. the title of your book, basically no wuss, he can't give the slightly bit he's taking it...
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joe be joe, everything's going to be just fine. and i think the fact that they're sitting down is good. i've seen biden in person many times on the stump standing up. he gets a little carried away. sitting down tonight might be to his advantage. >> the thing i keep thinking about is what is going through paul ryan's head? when you think about it as a politician or public figure, who your peer group is you're trying to impress, paul ryan, right wing think tanks, conservative movement, ideological elements. is he going to go up on the stage tonight and renounce it all? that is the strategic chose made by the romney campaign. you're going to go up there and everything you've done since the first day you were a junior staffer on the hill to now, we want you to throw it out the window and do it in front of everyone. is he going to take his life's work and rip it up on national television? >> are they going to hold ryan to what he has done in politics? this is going to be such a good night. all right. as everyone concedes that president
joe be joe, everything's going to be just fine. and i think the fact that they're sitting down is good. i've seen biden in person many times on the stump standing up. he gets a little carried away. sitting down tonight might be to his advantage. >> the thing i keep thinking about is what is going through paul ryan's head? when you think about it as a politician or public figure, who your peer group is you're trying to impress, paul ryan, right wing think tanks, conservative movement,...
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. >> do you expect joe biden to be able to make that point or to do anything else that's going to significantly change the democrats' process. >> i do have high hopes for biden. i watched the debates in the 2007-2008 campaign and biden beat both hillary clinton and barack obama in a number of debates. everybody talks about his gaffes and they forget he is a good debatetor and he has a capacity for empathy for average people. and he can just explain stuff quite well. so i think he will put ryan on the griddle and take the interview with chris wallace and say look, you've got time. you said the math is too complicated. don't give us talk about base lines. tell us how you're going to do this. >> e.j., thanks for being here. i appreciate it. >> good to be with you. >>> up next, the grave international implications of having people in our american congress who hold elaborate conspiracy theories about dinosaur farts. sorry. that's next. seriously. tridion safety cell which can withstand over three and a half tons. small in size. big on safety. which can withstand over three and a half tons. if we wan
. >> do you expect joe biden to be able to make that point or to do anything else that's going to significantly change the democrats' process. >> i do have high hopes for biden. i watched the debates in the 2007-2008 campaign and biden beat both hillary clinton and barack obama in a number of debates. everybody talks about his gaffes and they forget he is a good debatetor and he has a capacity for empathy for average people. and he can just explain stuff quite well. so i think he...
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thursday between joe biden and paul ryan voters will get a chance to hear what candidates have to say about a host of issues beyond budget, policy and health care. things like voting rights, women's rights, topics that were omitted last week between president obama and romney. the issue of sensible gun laws. the first presidential debate took place a short distance from aurora, colorado. a victim had a message for the candidates in an ad that airs during the debate. >> this past summer in a movie theater in colorado, i was shot. shot in the face and neck. but i was lucky. in the next four years, 48,000 americans won't be so lucky because they will be murdered with guns in the next president's term. enough to fill 200 theaters. when you watch the presidential debates, ask yourself, who has a plan to stop gun violence? let's demand a plan. it didn't get an area. joining us is comedian chris. john warner and rebecca, contributor to the magazine. i feel of two minds about the debate. focus is good. depth is good. i was appreciative they allowed depth on the issues they talked about, but f
thursday between joe biden and paul ryan voters will get a chance to hear what candidates have to say about a host of issues beyond budget, policy and health care. things like voting rights, women's rights, topics that were omitted last week between president obama and romney. the issue of sensible gun laws. the first presidential debate took place a short distance from aurora, colorado. a victim had a message for the candidates in an ad that airs during the debate. >> this past summer in...
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joe, were you bored? i was bored. >> intro was better. >> intro was better. >> the start of the show was much better. that's a pretty good skit. >> he has more. should we let him go on? >> this is good. this might apply to you. you have a cat. >> yeah, i do. >> when did the show start? >> we're going right now. >> this is pretty good. >> did you know that you can actually give your pet the flu? you can give emma the flu. >> i never gave -- >> i could care less. you can move right past that. that is the stupidest thing i've heard. what is that, news you can use? >> this is news you can use. >> okay. the morn important stoe importa suleman, do you remember her? >> who's nadya suleman? >> don't even go there. >> the octo mom. >> oh, my god. >> you don't remember her? >> no. >> she's amazing. she was trying to support her poor -- she's got 14 kids. celebrity boxing. and porn. porn. you've got to support your kids. you've got to do porn. she's doing something that she's much better -- >> she's dating. >> she's
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the -- joe biden can't respond to this in one particular way. there's a lot of reports kind of trickling out that this might already be happening. >> right. right. joe biden can't exactly say, you know, that's what we're doing in a kind of stage whisper. but, you know, the policy, it is very, very difficult to see this sort of bloodshed, to watch this front line documentary. what that underscored, which i think is a very important point, is something after 9/11 when people were talking about occupying countries as if it was germany and japan in 1945, you see the complexities not only of syria, libya, etc. not only do we not know who these fighters are but we understand and everyone acknowledges this, it's about how big this is, that salofus are coming in and they're fighting with sort of more democratic reformers. is there somebody that has a booth with ak 47s on it. tell me about your ideology. that doesn't happen. that's going to be hugely problematic. >> one of the other things we're seeing in syria is incredibly messy, there's been great rep
the -- joe biden can't respond to this in one particular way. there's a lot of reports kind of trickling out that this might already be happening. >> right. right. joe biden can't exactly say, you know, that's what we're doing in a kind of stage whisper. but, you know, the policy, it is very, very difficult to see this sort of bloodshed, to watch this front line documentary. what that underscored, which i think is a very important point, is something after 9/11 when people were talking...
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so honestly, the stakes for tomorrow night's debate between vice president joe biden and paul ryan could not be higher. and no one on the obama side is trying to play down this debate as if it is not important. the romney/ryan side did make a kind of hilarious feint this week at trying to play down how well paul ryan is expected to do at this debate. this is mr. romney trying to do that on cnn yesterday. >> i don't know how paul will deal with this debate. obviously, the vice president has done, i don't know, 15 or 20%s during his lifetime. experienced debater. this is, i think, paul's first debate. i may be wrong. he may have done something in high school. i don't know. >> high school? really? paul ryan's first debate? as abc news noted today, "paul ryan has actually participated in at least eight debates during his 14 years in congress. that's according to available articles and information provided by the ryan campaign." first debate? ninth debate? what's the difference, really? we know what the truth is here, but we put our presidential candidate out to talk to the press on camera an
so honestly, the stakes for tomorrow night's debate between vice president joe biden and paul ryan could not be higher. and no one on the obama side is trying to play down this debate as if it is not important. the romney/ryan side did make a kind of hilarious feint this week at trying to play down how well paul ryan is expected to do at this debate. this is mr. romney trying to do that on cnn yesterday. >> i don't know how paul will deal with this debate. obviously, the vice president...
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. >>> when biden was debating for hiss approximatal k578 pain, ryan was in -- >> why is it that joe biden is the first in his family ever to go to a yooirlt. why is out that my wife that's sitting out there in the audience is the first in her family to ever go to college? is it because our fathers and mothers were not briblgt. no, it's not because they weren't as smarlt, it's not because they didn't work as hard, it's because they didn't have a platform upon which to stand. >> biden had credited kennick and other speeches. >> an editorial in the los angeles times said, in addition to his uncontrolled very bossy, bide season a gaff machine, can you reassure voters in this country that you would have the discipline you would need on the world stage, senator. >> yes. >> that was 2007. and it's that guy paul ryan has to fear, the one who arguably won most of the 2008 primary debates with lines like this. >> and the irony is rudy giuliani, probably the most underqualified man since george w. bush to seek the presidency is here talking about any of the people. rudy giuliani, that's only three t
. >>> when biden was debating for hiss approximatal k578 pain, ryan was in -- >> why is it that joe biden is the first in his family ever to go to a yooirlt. why is out that my wife that's sitting out there in the audience is the first in her family to ever go to college? is it because our fathers and mothers were not briblgt. no, it's not because they weren't as smarlt, it's not because they didn't work as hard, it's because they didn't have a platform upon which to stand....
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and joe's here. >> i'm here. we have some new polls out. >> yes, we do. >> a big movement, and the polls, let's talk first about what i think is going to be one of the great, great series that we've had in a while. and that's the red sox and the orioles -- i mean the yankees and the orioles. oh, wait, i'm sorry. the red sox right now. >> are you trying to alienate everybody? >> so we've got two big yankee fans here. but the yankees and the orioles. you've got, you know, you've got the empire, the great team, plus -- against the upstarts. this one's going to go a while. >> can't go more than five games. >> well, that's a while. if you're a yankees fan. i get nothing from richard haass, so willie. richard, you suck. >> no. >> willie, i'm excited about this stuff. >> go to the ichiro play. >> this is just a great david versus goliath contest. >> i'd say this is a yankee fan, it's hard not to love the orioles and their story. what they've done this year. these are usually the kinds of teams that go away after the all
and joe's here. >> i'm here. we have some new polls out. >> yes, we do. >> a big movement, and the polls, let's talk first about what i think is going to be one of the great, great series that we've had in a while. and that's the red sox and the orioles -- i mean the yankees and the orioles. oh, wait, i'm sorry. the red sox right now. >> are you trying to alienate everybody? >> so we've got two big yankee fans here. but the yankees and the orioles. you've got, you...
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welcome to "morning joe." with us on set, we have former mccain senior campaign strategist and msnbc political analyst steve schmidt. up bright and early this morning. looking good. >> you look beautiful. >> we also have former treasury official and "morning joe" economic analyst, i still like financier better. >> i'm going to say financier. >> steve ratner. >> wait a minute. am i not beautiful? >> you're gorgeous. >> like a rainbow, as cyndi lauper would say. >> what did we talk about yesterday? and from the site of tonight's vice presidential debate in danville, kentucky, msnbc and "time" magazine senior editor mark halperin. >> godspeed. so mika, we've got 26 days left. until the election. is that a word? i saw it on the front of "sports illustrated." we have a passel of polls that are pounding us this morning. and this race is a toss-up. >> it is. >> in all the swing states. it's a toss-up in all the swing states. and we've got a debate coming up. and my gosh, there's so much political news. it only makes
welcome to "morning joe." with us on set, we have former mccain senior campaign strategist and msnbc political analyst steve schmidt. up bright and early this morning. looking good. >> you look beautiful. >> we also have former treasury official and "morning joe" economic analyst, i still like financier better. >> i'm going to say financier. >> steve ratner. >> wait a minute. am i not beautiful? >> you're gorgeous. >> like a rainbow,...
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joe mcknight ran back a 100 yard kickoff return for a touchdown. new york had a chance to take the lee late in the fourth quarter. mark sanchez couldn't pull it off. it was picked off by jackson with two minutes left to play. >>> this is sad news coming from the nfl, alex karras, well known for that roll as the lovable father in the '80s sitcom webster, news is out that he is suffering from kidney failure and has only been given a few days to live. the 77-year-old has been suffering from dementia in recent years and is part of that mass concussion lawsuit involving more than 3,000 players that is filed against the nfl. >>> to baseball, cardinals bashed the nationals knotting their series at one. carlos beltran hit that last two of his teams four homers. >>> the orioles even it up with the yankees after a bases loaded two-run single by chris davis in the third put them up 2-1. baltimore tacked on a final run in the sixth with a mark republic reynolds single. they won 3-2. >>> in golf, tiger woods reportedly apologized to several of his ryder cup roo
joe mcknight ran back a 100 yard kickoff return for a touchdown. new york had a chance to take the lee late in the fourth quarter. mark sanchez couldn't pull it off. it was picked off by jackson with two minutes left to play. >>> this is sad news coming from the nfl, alex karras, well known for that roll as the lovable father in the '80s sitcom webster, news is out that he is suffering from kidney failure and has only been given a few days to live. the 77-year-old has been suffering...
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with me now, steve almendorf and republican strategist, joe watkins. >> joe, let me start with you. have the campaigns entered the new phase like "the wall street journal" suggests? are we in closing argument time? if so, what does it mean for both of these campaigns? >> we are in closing argument time, that's not much time left. both campaigns have to work hard to get their message out to voters, what's important for mitt romney, as well as for president obama is getting the folks that are likely to vote for him to show up at the polls and vote on election day, you've got to make sure that the likely voters are the ones that gets the out that you want to get out. >> one of the commercials at the journal predicted the romney campaign out with a new ad highlighting vice president biden's behavior in that debate. >> don't raise taxes on small businesses because they're our job creators, leaders run to problems to fix problems. >> the romney campaign betting on independent voters not liking biden's laughter there. is the jury still out on this thing, steve. >> i think the jury is done,
with me now, steve almendorf and republican strategist, joe watkins. >> joe, let me start with you. have the campaigns entered the new phase like "the wall street journal" suggests? are we in closing argument time? if so, what does it mean for both of these campaigns? >> we are in closing argument time, that's not much time left. both campaigns have to work hard to get their message out to voters, what's important for mitt romney, as well as for president obama is getting...
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joe biden was speaking from a lifetime of experience. you could tell that he knows the struggles and the aspirations of the middle class like the back of his hand, where paul ryan looked like somebody reading notes. i think they're running the ads because they know joe biden come dmated the conversation. >> here's something. the "washington post" editorial board is titled show me a policy. they write alas the answer lies at the heart of president obama's re-election bid. the absence of a second-term agenda. immediately after the election. until and unless he does, the only rational is the urgency of stopping the other guys. has the president given his second term agenda, patrick? and if so, what is it? do you see a priority list? >> well, there absolutely is. p president articulated it. but clearly from this stage in charlotte, north carolina, with millions of americans watching at our convention. the president talked about the ways in which by 2016 he'll create 1 million new manufacturing jobs in this country and we will double our manu
joe biden was speaking from a lifetime of experience. you could tell that he knows the struggles and the aspirations of the middle class like the back of his hand, where paul ryan looked like somebody reading notes. i think they're running the ads because they know joe biden come dmated the conversation. >> here's something. the "washington post" editorial board is titled show me a policy. they write alas the answer lies at the heart of president obama's re-election bid. the...
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welcome back to "morning joe." you love him. >> i love him. >> come o-tina. >> that's like a jam session he does when he gets up there. at the convention he got up and jammed and it was absolute magic. >> you can see the editor and chief of "newsweek" magazine and "the daily beast," tina brown and in washington host of ""the daily rundown"," chuck todd. >> did he jump up and down? >> yes, he did. >> we need to let presidents run for two feterms. i want him back to the campaign tram. >> let him run. he should be the permanent campaigner. i think that we know. >> he really should. >> he loved it it. >> the more obama and the better clinton gets. >> what do you think? what are you trying to say, tina? >> he's enjoying it. >> right now he's having a ball, because this is where he thrives and what he knows how to do better than anyone. >> the sweet spot. >> we begin this hour with the fight for the battleground states. less than four weeks until election day in ohio where 18 electoral votes are up for grabs. a new cnn p
welcome back to "morning joe." you love him. >> i love him. >> come o-tina. >> that's like a jam session he does when he gets up there. at the convention he got up and jammed and it was absolute magic. >> you can see the editor and chief of "newsweek" magazine and "the daily beast," tina brown and in washington host of ""the daily rundown"," chuck todd. >> did he jump up and down? >> yes, he did. >> we...
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how do you think he's going to fare against joe biden? he's a lot younger, doesn't have as much debate experience. >> that's not true. they're both members of congress. they have a lot of debate -- that's what you do in congress whether it's in committee or on the floor. i think they will both be more skilled, frankly, than either of the two presidential candidates who did not have that kind of a background. so i'm not sure that they don't know how to do it. >> here's the difference, though, with all due respect. there's a big difference. we have 67 million people watching on wednesday night. we're going to have millions of people watching certainly on thursday night. that's a lot different than watching c-span coverage in congress of the floor, you know? >> but you don't stand behind a podium and see 68 million people. you stand behind the podium and see who's in the hall and the guy standing next to you. i don't think that matters at all. >> it is a little bit different in the sense that generally debate on the floor is a much more civi
how do you think he's going to fare against joe biden? he's a lot younger, doesn't have as much debate experience. >> that's not true. they're both members of congress. they have a lot of debate -- that's what you do in congress whether it's in committee or on the floor. i think they will both be more skilled, frankly, than either of the two presidential candidates who did not have that kind of a background. so i'm not sure that they don't know how to do it. >> here's the...